One of the legendary bands of the so-called Christian metal movement, is Deliverance. This Californian band was started around 1985 by Jimmy P. Brown II. It was their first album (produced by metal veteran Bill Metoyer) that caught the attention of metal fans worldwide. The titleless effort was followed by six other studio albums, some of which were major successes like Weapons Of Our Warfare and Learn. Each album marked a new development in the songwriting of Brown and companions. Unfortunately, the band came to an end. Now, in the year 2000, Brown is back with Deliverance. Read here what he has to say about the past, present and future.
Word came that you will restart Deliverance.
Before we talk about the new Deliverance I want to look back first. Deliverance was
started by you in 1985 and you pushed the cart until late 1996/early 1997. What were the
reasons for Deliverance's demise?
I remember reading in HM Magazine that you went
through a "terrible time of disillusionment and backsliding the last two years".
When I interviewed Marcus Colon (who was part of Deliverance twice) earlier this year, he
also spoke about you not
I would just like to say that it was a terrible time for me, let's call it a valley for me. That's as far as I will go into it because as far as the east is from the west, those days are long behind me and I do not wish to remember them. As far as a German promoter, you'd have to be more specific and where you heard your info from. And life in general with finances, lousy management, lying promoters that were leaving my family starving, you name it, I could go on, but that is not important now. For every lousy promoter, there were 10 good ones, but in life somehow the bad outweighs the good unfortunately if you let it. As far as what I went through, I do not wish to remember that part of my life.
Aha, so there were matters of business.
Considering your experiences with the whole
In a lot of ways I dug what was going on musically, and I loved touring and making records but what was happening internally with the band was disheartening. Then came the endless revolving door of band members, which to this day leaves me a bit dismayed. But with the change of styles and the release of three very introspective records (Stay, Learn and River) it brought back a reason to keep moving on. So if I had to pick any era that brings me joy to think of it was the days of me, Chris and Brian.
You also worked together with Gene Eugene on River Disturbance and perhaps other releases too. Sadly though, he passed away this year. How do you look back to the time when you hung out with him?
Actually, Gene Eugene engineered Stay Of Execution, Learn and River Disturbance. Christian music and the world in general lost a man who was beyond genius behind the mixing board. He was an amazing songwriter and a loved friend, and I will miss him dearly.
Before the break up of the band you had talked about doing a solo album under the moniker Peter Braun. As I understand it you recorded a tape at the time. What happened with that?
Nothing unfortunately. I could never find anybody that believed enough in my solo stuff, so consequently nothing ever became of it. I did do a CD and 1,000 or so were released in Europe of which Im horribly embarrassed because it just wasnt me. But hey, live and learn, lol
One of the things I did hear from you is the Fearful Symmetry project you are still doing. I understand this is totally different from anything you did with Deliverance. Can you explain what FS is about?
Fearful Symmetry is a project I began in late 1998. It was merely going
to be a project and then YHVH (GOD) brought me a wonderful writing partner named David
Gilbreath, whom I enjoy writing with. He compliments my writing style very well. It is a
way for me to release songs I had written and continue to write with subject matters that
would never fit Deliverance, i.e.love songs, poetry that I write, etc
Every time I
tried releasing a song that even came close to just being a poem put to music, not having
any meaning at all or being that which the hearer and reader would have to lend their own
interpretation. I always received letters asking "What does that song have to do with
Jesus?", or "How does that song fit in the gospel plan?". I mean, YHVH
(GOD) gave us brains, emotions and souls to savor a host of things that happen in this
life. I think Song of Solomon proves that point very well.
And how would you describe Fearful Symmetry's sound?
Electronica. (William Orbit/Erasure/David Bowie/etc...)
Last year there was a letter posted in HM Magazine that seemed to come from George Ochoa, former guitarist for Deliverance. In this letter he announced the come-back of Deliverance and the recording of the follow up album to Weapons Of Our Warfare, tentatively called The Pulling Down Of Strongholds. You were involved as well as others from the old Deliverance line-up of the Weapons days. This letter struck me because in interviews in years after the Weapons-era you indicated you were going for the experiment and not artistic stagnation. Recording a follow-up seemed to me as a surrender to the old fans and therefore the letter looked like a spoof. So, can you throw some light into this matter?
This letter did come from George after he and I had talked briefly about how fun it would be to record an album together again. Weapons was our biggest seller and I am very proud of that having written 80% of that record. This was a few years after Deliverance had broken up and it was simply me reminiscing and having fun thoughts about doing a follow up to stir up that success once again. But after a few months I realized that, as your question points out, I would be betraying myself as an artist to do such a thing and decided against doing it.
Another thing that attracted my attention was the announcement for the Sanctuary Reunion show featuring Deliverance among other classic bands. The line-up for Deliverance was supposed to be you, Ochoa, Mike Grato and Jim Chaffin. However, the band wasn't playing that show. What's the story?
This could take up a whole page but I will condense it as best as
possible. When I agreed to the reunion I had completely forgotten that I was booked that
month to fly back to Ohio to record the Fearful Symmetry record. I did try to make plans
with Fearful Symmetrys record label, Silent Recordings, to make arrangements for me
to fly back and do the show, but, and I know this sounds bad, I just completely forgot to
do so. In looking back on the whole situation I think subconsciously I wanted to forget
because after agreeing to do the reunion I regretted it. A real Deliverance reunion would
consist of me, Chris and Brian. And nothing against George, I probably would
However, Deliverance is coming back together as you have made clear. What are the reasons to restart the band?
Timing I guess. It just seemed right. Manny and I knew that this day was
inevitable and that we would jam together again. But it was going to have to take an act
of God, and believe me it did. There was a lot of unfinished business for us and I
dont feel His
What's the line-up of the new Deliverance?
Jimmy P. Brown II, vocals and guitar, Manny Morales, bass guitar, David Gilbreath, keys and programming. This is the new nucleus for the big "D".
Currently there are two official Deliverance Internet sites: One for the US and one for Europe. There might also be a third for the Latin American world, I believe. Why three Deliverance sites? Is that workable and how 'official' are they?
At this time the "official" site is dualedge.com which will move to DeliveranceLives.com possibly by the time this interview is released. The ScreamsOfAbel site is an official fan site and the Latin American site will all be done in Spanish. There are as well talks of a German site. But the true official site that is in constant touch with our management is dualedge.com, soon to be DeliveranceLives.com
Someone asked me to ask you if you will make tabs
available on the site, like tabs for
It is not in my agenda to do so at this time, but who knows?
The band will record an album called Assimilation in February. This will be released through Indie Dreams Records. I visited the labels website where the Deliverance is described as Thick Industrial Electronica. That doesn't sound anything like Deliverance. So, how's the new Deliverance gonna be?
The reason you saw the description "thick industrial Electronica" is that you popped in while the site was still under construction. The web master just inserted that description to have a finished page to submit for general approval, not an authorized description of what the new album will sound like. The most I will tell you is that it will be the heaviest Deliverance album since the first 2 releases minus the speed metal of course. The new project wont be Weapons part II. There is going to be a definite electronic influence but I think to call it industrial is overstating. It's heavy organic groove with industrial or electronic layers.
Those terms like industrial and electronic make me
think of Marcus Colon's return with
Marc, David and I did do a demo and we worked for a while on the project, but never had the time to see it through. Pity, they are both extremely talented individuals and it was a pleasure to work with them not only with Fear The Killer, but the Camelot CD as well. I have heard Marcus's new stuff, IT ROCKS!!! If you haven't bought it, BUY IT! Marcus is extraordinary...
I asked you this with a next question in my head.
Your description of the new Deliverance made me somehow think of the new Betrayal. Is
Assimilation anyhow comparable to Leaving Nevermore? And do you have worked out songs or
is it still a concept in your head?
One of the plans is the release of an album called Back In The Day - The First Four Years. What will this album contain and how will it be presented?
Honestly, this is a disc for the true hard core, gotta have everything, toothbrush, and hair follicle, collecting fan. It is a collection of old, terrible, disgusting sounding demos that were in my closet of doom for all these years. More than anything its a fond tribute to the pre-industry years that I will cherish and hold forever. But do not be looking for glitz and glamour here, it is pure filth at its best, and I mean that lovingly.
So, it's basically a record for historic
documentation of the pre-recording era, I
We might work up a version for live, but that's it.
With those new CD's coming out, are you planning to come back with Deliverance full force? I mean, touring again and making records on a regular basis?
For now yes, but we will see what the future holds. There is nothing sure in life except 3 things: The love of YHVH, death, and taxes...